Short term raw material flipping. I think there is a thread up here about it atm actually. If you are buying to hold for more than a week you're opening yourself up to a lot of risk. Buy in the morning and sell at night, and/or buy on the weekend to sell during the week if you have a decent raid population on your server. Start with something you understand, sell from that market and then expand.


That's mostly it, but it's linked to the fact you can transmute ghost iron bars into trillium bars, which can be transmuted into Living Steel. So ghost iron is really really useful for sky golems and panther mounts, because they require 4 Living Steel's, which means 24 trilliums or 240 Ghost Iron bars, if you wanna go that way instead of farming the trillium itself!
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The Horde will now control most of Kalimdor, and the Alliance most of the Eastern Kingdoms. For a low-level character the quests and storylines won't change, but for high-level players many zones will see changes via phasing. Teldrassil is burned and Undercity is in ruins as the story progresses by phasing. At max level Arathi Highlands and Darkshore are phased to be updated to reflect their status as locations for Warfronts.
Sky golem is all profit if you do the smart thing and run old panda farms on multiple toons. Was running 10 farms at one point till bfa launched and was upto my eyeballs in trillium and Ghost iron. Just not been doing it lately, but those 10 farms was an hour a day if that and sustained 4 crafters and alchemists though could have sustained 8 easily.
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"'Going big' increases your production and decreases your waste. How does one make a lot of cards, though? Since they're tied to a daily cooldown, the options are to buy the cooldown from other scribes, or to have multiple scribes... If you plan to step it up and make decks, though, you'll need to either develop a network of scribes willing to sell you their daily cooldown, or make a bunch of alts into scribes."
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 Highmountain tauren - "Descended from Huln, brave hero of the War of the Ancients, the Highmountain tauren honor the spirits of earth, river, and sky. Though the Legion invaded their lands and sowed seeds of distrust between them, the tribes of Highmountain stand united once more. At long last they are ready to venture beyond their sacred mountain and stand beside their kin from Kalimdor, lending their nobility and strength to the mighty Horde."
Otherwise, its a pretty lackluster expansion profession-wise as there are no useful sellable gear besides Inscription trinkets. Legion had good and variety stat gear across all professions (JC could make BiS socket-rings, now JC is the worst proff ever, so sad). I hope they change stuff soon but I'm not optimistic about it. You should probably level Pandaria Engineering and Alchemy as much as you can on your characters and invest in Ghost Iron Bar/Trillium Bar transmutes to either sell Living Steel or hold them to craft Sky Golem (30-40k profit each char per month). It's hard to maintain a steady flow of GIB/TB though. I "only" have 6 engineers and my stock drys up pretty quickly.
The world quests aren’t necessarily bad, but they aren’t good either. I wouldn’t mind killing five of a type of monster or fighting one particular boss a few times, but after seven or eight, it starts to wear pretty thin. But going from levels in the mid-20s can take nearly 30,000 AP, so you’ll need more than world quests if you want to get your heart up in a reasonable time.
I'm holding a huge stock of herbs, flasks, pots, gems, fish, feasts/foods to sell when Uldir releases. Its already too close to start investing into that so I would just farm herbs and try to sell Anchor Weed as fast as possible right now when price is still high. Blizz can buff spawn rate anytime or reduce materials needed like they did with feasts.
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As the battle for Darkshore begins, both the Alliance and Horde are blindsided by a new development: High Overlord Saurfang, who had been defeated and captured in the Battle of Lordearon, has suddenly escaped Alliance captivity and is on the run. Sylvanas sends Horde Champions to track Saurfang down, ostensibly to extract him. However, it quickly becomes apparent that the search party is in fact an assassination squad, as Sylvanas suspects Saurfang of colluding with the Alliance in an attempt to dethrone her. While some Horde champions choose to side with Saurfang and help him escape the assassins, other champions remain loyal to Sylvanas and report Saurfang's and the dissenting champions' treachery to her.
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The hexweave bags are still a safe bet unless the new 32 crafting cost is like 10% of them. The one thing I'm more concerned about is the professions squish. This will make the old world items that we've been selling (TBC Dust still sells by 200 stacks easily) only required for Transmog and not leveling. This was a better option for a lot of professions (especially enchanting). Expecting their near-death with the next expansion. :(
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Those are low prices indeed! In those cases, just look into something else, but there's always gold to be made, as you pointed out :) And there is no shame in being unefficient, not everyone wants to spend their time getting optimized for goldmaking, if you can pay for your month I think it's great already! That's what kept me into it, the fact that I'm paying by playing, I love it

I was considering Enchanting on my main, since as you go through instances and WQ's you'll get plenty of gear to dischant, but I wanted to focus on gold making and gave him herba and mining instead. While double gathering sounds like a good idea for gold making i realised it's not like i can actually gather 2 things at once. i'll be dedicating my time to 1 thing, herba or mining.

The older brother of this potion originally came about in Cataclysm as the Potion of Treasure Finding, and is actually one of the best ways to make money. Since most Pandaria mats are constantly farmed, they usually sell for less than the Cataclysm mats. This makes using this form of the potion more effective for making gold. Not to mention that creatures die faster to level 90s since they were made for the previous expansion, making farming the treasure chests that drop rather easy.
I'm holding a huge stock of herbs, flasks, pots, gems, fish, feasts/foods to sell when Uldir releases. Its already too close to start investing into that so I would just farm herbs and try to sell Anchor Weed as fast as possible right now when price is still high. Blizz can buff spawn rate anytime or reduce materials needed like they did with feasts.
DMF Cards the first ~72 hours of the expansion. Every deck was selling for 500k-750k after 24 hours, so I spent all the time I had and just shuffled bracers info expulsum. Constantly spammed trade that I was buying herbs at just about every price, and just went to town. Once the weekend hit (Friday), I sold my last few decks (made 44 total in those 3 days I think), and listed all my leftover cards on the AH at a decent cut.
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 Mag'har orc - "For untold generations, the orc clans of Draenor battled one another in endless war. But when Gul'dan offered them the blood of his demonic masters, the disparate tribes of Mag'har—the orcish word for "uncorrupted"—refused the dark bargain and banded together to drive out the Burning Legion. United under the leadership of Grommash Hellscream, the Mag'har pledged to one day repay Azeroth's heroes for aiding their cause. As war against the Alliance intensifies, the Horde must call upon the might of the Mag'har to seize victory."
But every new character made that wants to craft old expansion stuff will have to level using expansion specific materials. Stocking up on profession materials that are already high in demand can be a great idea. This will primarily be materials used to craft the various mounts. Ghost Iron, Trillium, Living Steel, Pyrium etc. are all great candidates to stock up on.
As with Jewelcrafting, Alchemy is a bit more nuanced than looking at hourly rates. Flasks will provide you with a good baseline, but if you carefully watch the market and plan your transmutes with market trends, you could see huge gains like JC. Assuming you are focusing only on selling Flasks, you will make around 2138 gold/hour if you are also an Herbalist.
I'm pretty excited about where the various gathering professions could go this expansion. Crafting expansions actually have good stuff to craft to prepare for the upcoming raid so gathering items will be needed. On top of that nodes are giving out less so more effort equals higher prices. Now where this goes past launch I'm not sure but stuff like Mining and Herbalism should be solid at the beginning.
Changes were also made to levelling in earlier content with Legion's 7.3.5 patch. The level-scaling tech introduced in Legion not only be continued in the new continents of Kul Tiras and Zandalar, but was also be applied to content from prior expansions, allowing larger level brackets for lower level zones. Further, as previous expansions are now included in the base game, the level ranges for those expansions are now broadened, allowing players to spend more time leveling in preferred expansions and avoid others entirely. Some examples include a zone like Westfall having its level bracket (at 10–15 as of Legion) increased to 10–60, whilst continents such as Outland and Northrend sharing a 60–80 level bracket. The aim of this change is to encourage more player choice whilst levelling and to allow players to experience the full story of a particular zone without overlevelling the relevant quests.
They'll still be able to craft their items. Xmog crafters won't feel as hit because most of those patterns aren't terribly easy to come by. Mount sellers won't be affected. Recipes wont really be affected. Trade Goods will change a bit though, but that isn't inherently a bad thing. I can never find Firebloom on my server for sale, Mageweave and Silk are always pricey, etc. It might increase the amounts of those types of items and drive the price down, but that might be replaced by something else just as easily.
On my server, I can usually craft cards for around $2000/card and decks average for about 25k/deck (average selling price of all 4 decks) . The average profit per deck is around 9k gold, and I can process (on average) 9ish decks per hour. This means that the average gold generation rate of processing linen and herbs is about 80k gold per hour. That also leaves you with a massive pile of red pigments that you can AFK craft to scrolls for extra profit. (Crimson pigments gets generated at 75 pigment/min for "free" when milling for Viridescent, there is an extra 500ish gold per minute of profit when AFK-crafted to scrolls, that's not insignificant)
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Yes, that is easy, but it's not quick. Further down in my comments to OP I detailed the GIO farm, and reasonable yield expectations. I looked up a few guides/videos before commenting and most of them estimate a yield beween 800-1,000 GIO/hour. That lines up with my past experience with it as well. That'd be, taking the high yield end, 4.2 hours to farm the GIO for one toon's monthly needs.
"Essentially the Scrap-o-Matic 1000 works like the Obliterum Forge in Legion however one major difference from Legion is that you can use it to break down any gear obtained that is from the Battle for Azeroth expansion, including dungeon/raid drops, quest rewards, world drops and crafted gear. Apart from a chance at getting Expulsom you will also get ore, gems, leather, occasional enchanting mats (from scrapping cloth gear) and other crafting mats. The best way to obtain Expulsom seems to be from breaking down rare/epic gear you obtain from dungeons and raids, killing rare elites and doing world quests, it also drops rarely from BFA uncommon quality items."
"Players can get these powerful items, empower them, and which gameplay-affecting powers they want to use or focus on without feeling like they’re just playing the lottery and hoping they get the Pyroblast Bracers or whatever the magical legendary they need to enable the rotation they want to do," Hazzikostas said. "Instead, they can just look at the dungeon journal, look at raid bosses, see where the azurite armor with the powers they want comes from, and focus on getting that and leveling their artifact naturally, in a much more controlled way."
If you're just trying to sell one item once, TSM probably isn't the way to go. But you can set it up to do things like "find all BFA mining auctions selling for 75% of the market value", buy those, and then use a single button to "post all BFA mining auctions at 90% of the market value". This won't usually net you tens of thousands of gold, but it's a pretty reliable income stream for pretty low effort.

I have probably said this exact same thing a dozen times but it's worth saying a dozen more. Old world engineering is awesome right now. I make enough for my monthly token and then some simply buy selling auto hammers, gunshoes, and 1 sky golem. 100% of mats purchased from auction house. It's the easiest, laziest way I have ever made gold and i love it.
That’s because armor of higher level has higher Azerite power requirements than lower level armor. That means a shiny new piece of Epic gear will have better stats but, unless you’ve been diligent about your Azerite power grind, won’t have as many traits unlocked. You lose options as you earn better gear. Eventually, you’ll grind out enough Azerite to earn those traits back, but you’re left with limited customization until then.
 Zandalari troll (8.1.5) - "The Zandalari are a proud people whose origins date back to the early days of Azeroth's history. Their fierce warriors ride dinosaurs into battle, and they possess one of the most formidable naval fleets in the known world. But enemy attacks on their borders—as well as unrest within the king's council—have threatened the kingdom's foundations. By returning stability to Zandalar, the heroes of the Horde can gain a powerful new ally.."
While the proc is random the law of large numbers will mean that over a large enough sample size your actual yield will be the same as the average proc rate. If you transmute 10 times then you can't rely on the 20% proc rate, once you pass 1000 though, you're average will start approaching the true rate of 1.2 bars per transmute. If you are in this for the long haul it then makes a lot of sense to use the average proc rate to calculate your profits, especially considering the fact that all the items involved sell really well.
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Inscription and darkmoon decks remain highly profitable still as long as you approach it with the right mindset and understand that it is a commodity market and the goal is not necessary to sell crafted decks. For me, it's an exercise in managing purchasing Linen & Herbs below market, balancing opportunity cost of converting linen to expulsom, and mass purchasing underpriced individual cards and relisting them at a profit but under the crafting cost so that they move. That's the primary goal, and you naturally complete decks that you sell but you don't go out of your way for.
Hazzikostas posted the changes in a new blog post on the official WoW forums. Season 2 will go live on January 22 with new Warfronts, Mythic + PvP, World Content, a new Titanforging cap and much more. We’ve included his post down below and have also included a follow up post about rewarding loot for Emissaries and Assault quests based on loot specialization.
World of Warcraft’s Legion expansion has been unleashed on the live servers and players are starting to arrive at The Broken Isles to plunder its untouched reserves of gold. Some are diving into the new dungeons and raids while others are undertaking the array of quests in the vast region. See how you, too, can gain immense amounts of gold in this exciting expansion.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not turning my nose at people who struggle to do well (I'm not exactly a mastermind myself), but the legion expansion has made people lazy in terms of finding their jackpot system. We need to get used to gold making going from the "all for all" system to the current "all for one" system and the first step is understanding that the WoW economy is never decidedly made good or bad as if it somehow exists along the same lines as class design and gameplay mechanics.

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That’s because armor of higher level has higher Azerite power requirements than lower level armor. That means a shiny new piece of Epic gear will have better stats but, unless you’ve been diligent about your Azerite power grind, won’t have as many traits unlocked. You lose options as you earn better gear. Eventually, you’ll grind out enough Azerite to earn those traits back, but you’re left with limited customization until then.
Today's events set the stage for major changes in the game, including the expansion pre-patch, which will include all the game systems, cosmetic and other changes for the new expansion - basically, everything but the content in the expansion's new zones. There has been no official announcement of the prepatch launch date, but if I were a betting woman, I'd say July 10 looks awfully likely. [Edit: All right, or the 17th. But plan for the worst, people.]
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DMF Cards the first ~72 hours of the expansion. Every deck was selling for 500k-750k after 24 hours, so I spent all the time I had and just shuffled bracers info expulsum. Constantly spammed trade that I was buying herbs at just about every price, and just went to town. Once the weekend hit (Friday), I sold my last few decks (made 44 total in those 3 days I think), and listed all my leftover cards on the AH at a decent cut.
Island expeditions require groups of three players to venture to islands with randomly spawned enemies and piles of AP. The island expedition ends once they collect a certain amount of AP, and they are granted about 300 AP as a reward — unfortunately, players don’t get any of the between 6,000 and 12,000 AP they collect during the expedition. These missions can take anywhere from three to 20 minutes, and never once offer any real challenge or depth.
Eventually, the Alliance finishes its preparations and launches an attack on the Zadalari capital of Dazar'zalor, their goal being to sever the budding alliance between the Zandalari and the Horde by dismantling the Golden Fleet and capturing King Rastakhan. Despite Anduin and Jaina's desire to capture him alive, Rastakhan is overwhelmed by the power of his pact with the Loa Bwonsamdi, and the Alliance champions are forced to slay him. Enraged by Rastakhan's death, Horde champions launch a vicious counterattack on the withdrawing Alliance forces, which ends with both Jaina and High Tinkerer Mettatorque gravely wounded. As the Alliance leadership debates their next move, Sylvanas, infuriated by the Horde's defeat, resurrects Jaina's long dead brother Derek Proudmoore as a Forsaken, an act that horrifies the surviving Horde leaders, with the intent to use him as a sleeper agent to destroy the Proudmoore family from within.
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Set up TSM properly, learn it well and I can already see the power potential it has. Second is diversify your markets, learn other markets and the more you set up the more potential profit you have. Third is probably leveling alts so you have a wide range of professions ready to tackle any future opportunities for profit. Forth read patch notes religiously.

I’ve been trying out engineering with a character I boosted from 70 to 100. When making stuff to sell on the AH as an Engineer, how do you do it efficiently? I’ve been told gathering the parts on your own takes too much time (like mining all the ores you need), but I don’t have an influx of gold to buy whatever I want off of the AH (example being Living Steel. Wanted to make one for myself until I saw how ridiculous the process to make them is and how expensive they are)
I make about 60% of my profit from old world item sales, and 40% from BFA sales. What BFA provides me that old world items don't is immediate gratification- If someone posts a stack of 200 monelite ore 10% below market value, I can immediately buy and repost for 2k profit and have it sell in 2 minutes, and do this 20 times an hour. I currently have 2000 pieces of ghost iron sitting on the AH that aren't selling, and since I put it up I've sold plenty of flipped BFA materials. Ghost iron absolutely sells at a high rate, but it is slower than BFA mats.
Anyway I will go ahead & download the Twitch app like everyone's saying, but I still need to know whether my in-game addon settings will carry over automatically, or whether they'd return to default same as if they'd all been uninstalled in the curse client then reinstalled from scratch. Because if it's the latter then I will have to take screenshots of the settings on all my toons BEFORE I install the addons thru the Twitch client.

This top-end difficulty was missing entirely from Legion’s first raid, Emerald Nightmare, which was cleared by top guilds in around 11 hours. Meanwhile the first guild to clear Uldir’s hardest difficulty, Mythic, spent somewhere around 70 hours attempting to kill the raid’s eight bosses. Even after all that time, the guild, Method, still had members say they loved the raid, and that it was one of their favorite in recent memory.
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