I think what you're actually talking about when you say "niche" is the barrier to entry for new players. It sounds like you're worried that new players can pick up crafting professions and compete easier than before. Again, I'd say that the alpha build info in the OP looks pretty much the same as the current expansion. The true barrier to entry isn't the ability to level the profession quickly, it's actually recipe ranks. Some really good examples of this in the current expansion are rank 3 bracers, rank 3 flasks, and rank 3 felwort. It takes a certain level of investment to get those ranks, and the goblin activities related to those crafts simply aren't profitable/competitive without rank 3.
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Thanks for all the information! I’m between jobs atm so I only had enough money to get a month (haven’t played since legion launched) so I’ve been stressing about trying to somehow build my gold up to buy game time instead of enjoying it. I’ve had a lot of fun just trying to catch up on my Demon Hunter (maxed his level and am about to start the Mage Tower stuff and work towards reputation for allied races) and when it gets tedious, I’ll switch over to my engineer and craft stuff or level my new character I’m going to use for herbalism and alchemy. Hopefully when life is a bit steadier and my WoW standings improve, I can use all of this advice to make some $!
It is really, really a stark change of pace from WoD and Legion where just questing and killing things would result in at least a small but decent profit from a day's activities, typically of at least 1k and often 2k. But now to get that sort of return, I have to really focus on gold WQ's, not spend any money on anything that I don't absolutely have to, and do 45 minutes of Legion content.
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Set up TSM properly, learn it well and I can already see the power potential it has. Second is diversify your markets, learn other markets and the more you set up the more potential profit you have. Third is probably leveling alts so you have a wide range of professions ready to tackle any future opportunities for profit. Forth read patch notes religiously.

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This expansion suffers from the Warlords of Draenor (WoD) effect, initially, players will think this is a great expansion but upon investing some time into the game they'll realize this game is a disaster. The pre-patch should have been our first warning with how poorly designed and executed that fiasco was, but beyond that, let's look at what the expansion itself offers:

Another dungeon farm, this time in Uldum, Tol'Vir trash mobs drop loads of embersilk cloth. Stacks of this tend to sell for a tidy profit, though prices vary depending on the realm. A typical clear of the dungeon takes about 5 minutes, netting about 7.5k per hour in cloth, vendor trash, and various other drops like mats and BoEs. Pick up a Potion of Treasure Finding and farm to your heart's content! It's just as profitable on normal mode as heroic, too, making farming all the quicker and easier.
The Alliance are able to unlock the void elves (exiled blood elves who can tap into shadow magic, trained by Alleria Windrunner after her experiences on Argus), Lightforged draenei (draenei members of the Army of the Light who fought the Legion on Argus), Dark Iron dwarves (fire-blooded cousins of the in-game dwarves of Ironforge), and Kul Tiran humans (larger, more heavyset versions of the in-game humans of Stormwind).[6]
You can giggle as much as you want but none of the golems i posted took more than 3 days to sell. Never, ever. OP made a quite good point on farming ore, as GIO sells higher than BfA ore, and it is much easier to farm. Suggestions that OP made are for everyone and not just for your realm ( where apparently old world enchanting mats cost way more than they should, taking into account how low the margin is). Making gold is not about being lucky to snipe something or to get something to drop, but to have constant income whatever is going around on your realm.

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The last thing I want to say about this farm, you definitely need aoe damage dealers and some ranged people because mobs are not actually too close each other. So, you need to run around and gather mobs in one place with a monk statue and kill them with aoe. The party setups are simple and same with other farms actually and I don’t think not need to talk more about it.
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Changes were also made to levelling in earlier content with Legion's 7.3.5 patch. The level-scaling tech introduced in Legion not only be continued in the new continents of Kul Tiras and Zandalar, but was also be applied to content from prior expansions, allowing larger level brackets for lower level zones. Further, as previous expansions are now included in the base game, the level ranges for those expansions are now broadened, allowing players to spend more time leveling in preferred expansions and avoid others entirely. Some examples include a zone like Westfall having its level bracket (at 10–15 as of Legion) increased to 10–60, whilst continents such as Outland and Northrend sharing a 60–80 level bracket. The aim of this change is to encourage more player choice whilst levelling and to allow players to experience the full story of a particular zone without overlevelling the relevant quests.
In Kul Tiras, the Alliance's initial attempt to gain the nation's assistance ends disastrously when Katherine Proudmoore, Lord Admiral of Kul Tiras and mother to Archmage Jaina Proudmoore, not only refuses the Alliance's request for aide but also orders Jaina arrested and exiled for her role in the death of her father, Daelin Proudmoore, in the aftermath of the Third War. It quickly becomes apparent that Kul Tiras has become mired in corruption and outside threats, so Anduin and Genn Greymane send Alliance Champions to aid the Kul Tirans and earn their trust. Aiding them in this quest are Flynn Fairwind, a "retired" privateer, and Taelia Fordragon, the idealistic daughter of Bolvar Fordragon, former High Lord of Stormwind and current Lich King of the Undead Scourge. The Alliance is successfully able to earn the trust of Kul Tiras by combating the pirates of the traitorous Ashvane Trading Company in Tirisgrade Sounds, the Naga and corrupted agents of Queen Azshara in Stormsong Valley, and the occult forces of the ancient, ghostly warlord Gorak Tul in Drustvar. After these threats are defeated, Katherine is left despondent at her inability to lead her people, and resolves to help the Alliance find Jaina and reconcile with her. The Alliance eventually track Jaina to the prison island of Fate's End, where Gorak Tul, having survived the events of Drustvar, has kidnapped her and is tormenting her with visions of her past failures. The Alliance champions and Katherine destroy Gorak Tul once and for all and rescue Jaina, who is finally able to let go of the hate, anger and obsession with the past that defined her ever since the destruction of Theramore. The Alliance and Proudmoores then unite to defend the capitol city of Boralus from a massive pirate siege, after which Jaina is named Lord Admiral and pledges Kul Tiras' navy to the Alliance.
The older brother of this potion originally came about in Cataclysm as the Potion of Treasure Finding, and is actually one of the best ways to make money. Since most Pandaria mats are constantly farmed, they usually sell for less than the Cataclysm mats. This makes using this form of the potion more effective for making gold. Not to mention that creatures die faster to level 90s since they were made for the previous expansion, making farming the treasure chests that drop rather easy.
Is it profitable when you compare the time spent farming the ore to what you could have farmed elsewhere? No, it's not even half as valuable, at least not on my realm. That of course changes if you're on a server whose AH can supply a chain of golem production at a reasonable price, but that just isn't the case for me. I wish it was, could be a nice little side gig.

Professions skills are split between expansions now, you'll have a separate skill bar for each expansion. This means you can level the new Battle for Azeroth skill tier without putting any point into any of the previous expansions tiers, you don't have to level Leatherworking with older materials to be able to craft the new BfA items. You can read more about this in my BfA Profession overview.
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Gathering (Mining, Herbing, Skinning, Fishing) – WoD almost totally killed gathering with the garrison but it made a big comeback for Legion. I don’t think BfA will be any different. Crafters always need materials and they will pay big bucks for it. While the crafting professions might have bigger profit margins, gathering has always seemed to produce a nice steady income. Materials always sell and usually sell fast. One thing I am watching for BfA is old materials. With the change to how you level professions, gone are the days of power leveling a new toons profs using only WoD mats. On one hand you won’t need to in order to do the BfA stuff. On the other hand if enough folks still like finishing off the prior xpac stuff, old material prices could go up and low level gathering might be more profitable similar to how Ghost Iron is now.
Is it profitable when you compare the time spent farming the ore to what you could have farmed elsewhere? No, it's not even half as valuable, at least not on my realm. That of course changes if you're on a server whose AH can supply a chain of golem production at a reasonable price, but that just isn't the case for me. I wish it was, could be a nice little side gig.
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"Essentially the Scrap-o-Matic 1000 (and Shred-Master Mk1) works like the Obliterum Forge in Legion however one major difference from Legion is that you can use it to break down any gear obtained that is from the Battle for Azeroth expansion, including dungeon/raid drops, quest rewards, world drops and crafted gear. Apart from a chance at getting Expulsion you will also get ore, gems, leather, occasional enchanting mats (from scrapping cloth gear) and other crafting mats. The best way to obtain Expulsion seems to be from breaking down rare/epic gear you obtain from dungeons and raids, killing rare elites and doing world quests, it also drops rarely from BFA uncommon quality items."

Conclusion - Overall, I am looking forward to BfA but I do have my concerns. The mid and high level rare mats look like they are going to come from Mythic Dungeons and Raids. This could make it so that crafting alts basically need to be end game geared up characters and doing that content in order to produce anything usable. Gathering will work and I think it makes sense to prioritize that at the beginning of the xpac. The rest I am taking a wait and see approach this time around. There still is plenty of time between now and launch for the devs to make drastic changes to the material requirements and item level of any crafted item or consumable. Therefore, I don’t think we can call anything a real “winner” or “loser” yet. What do you think?


I have been playing since 2005. I have never really relied on the auction house to make my gold (I don't have the time, what with me having a life and all). In fact, I hardly ever use it. But as the years went by, I've always managed to get my gold total to progressively increase with each expansion. Not so with BFA. In fact, my total has actually gone down since BFA launch. Is this normal? Yes, I have been buying items from the rep guys, but I do that with every expansion. My gold started stagnating a bit before BFA, but since launch ... wow! I guess I can kiss that dinosaur mount goodbye!
I was considering Enchanting on my main, since as you go through instances and WQ's you'll get plenty of gear to dischant, but I wanted to focus on gold making and gave him herba and mining instead. While double gathering sounds like a good idea for gold making i realised it's not like i can actually gather 2 things at once. i'll be dedicating my time to 1 thing, herba or mining.
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If you're willing to dedicate, get tailoring for increased cloth drops, and look at group finder. Under custom search for "boe" and try to find and join a 2x4 farm group. It's basically just hours of leading npcs into a grinder for loot, but you'll make 20-40k an hour from cloth depending on server prices, and on average every 2-4 hrs you'll find a boe epic worth 80-250k, if luck permits.

There's a few profession crafted pets in BfA on the horizon - Battle for Azeroth Tailoring is getting a Hot Air Balloon style pet, and BfA Alchemy looks to be getting a brand new Transmute Meat to Pet. There are some mount buff consumables from both BfA Leatherworking in the form of a mount barding, and Blacksmithing in Battle for Azeroth will be able to craft Stirrups and Hoofplates to increase mount speed and allow you to interact with things while mounted.

Inscription in BfA is going to see a new type of item - Rep Contracts! Battle for Azeroth Inscription users will be able to create rep contracts with the specific reps of BfA, and using one gets you bonus rep with that BfA faction any time you complete a Battle for Azeroth world quest. Overall, BfA professions look to be heading in a fun direction and I can't wait to get started crafting in professions once Battle for Azeroth comes to World of Warcraft.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not turning my nose at people who struggle to do well (I'm not exactly a mastermind myself), but the legion expansion has made people lazy in terms of finding their jackpot system. We need to get used to gold making going from the "all for all" system to the current "all for one" system and the first step is understanding that the WoW economy is never decidedly made good or bad as if it somehow exists along the same lines as class design and gameplay mechanics.
Unfortunately this game misses the mark. The visual and audio experiences are truly this expansions only carry. The questing is the same as itUnfortunately this game misses the mark. The visual and audio experiences are truly this expansions only carry. The questing is the same as it has always been, artifacts and world quests aren't new, more skills taken away from the last expansion (nothing new added to replace them). Island Expeditions, the heralded new feature, is a complete letdown; it's just a scenario with a timer on it. The story is jarring and feels out of place somehow. For a full priced game (that's just an expansion) I can't help but feel a bit ripped off.… Expand
"A lot of the challenges are less about gear level and more about doing the mechanics correctly," he said. "Having two or three percent more health or more throughput isn’t going to help you if you’re missing interrupts. Putting the time in to just practice the challenge you’re trying to overcome is probably the best use of your time once you’re at a reasonable outdoor-Argus level of gear."

That's mostly it, but it's linked to the fact you can transmute ghost iron bars into trillium bars, which can be transmuted into Living Steel. So ghost iron is really really useful for sky golems and panther mounts, because they require 4 Living Steel's, which means 24 trilliums or 240 Ghost Iron bars, if you wanna go that way instead of farming the trillium itself!

But then you have some professions, Inscription, Jewelcrafting, the gathering professions, etc. which don't seem to have any specific extra bonuses for being them. Inscription has been in a bad place for a while and that trend seems to be continuing in BfA, although considering we are not locked to certain glyphs anymore (like having to choose between only one glyph of many for things like Travel Form) I suppose there's a chance we will see some more profitability out of it.
Also, all of this mobs in this area are humanoid. This means additional cloth drops for gold. So, you want to do this farm with a character which has Tailoring. Because if you have Tailoring, more clothes will drop thanks to Cloth Scavenging. This is real good because materials are going for good prices in this days. Another advantage of having Tailoring is Resilient Spellthread. It prevents you from being dazed in Kul Tiras and Zandalar.
2. Island Expeditions. What?! you may ask, but it is simple. The transmog that drops, now rather frequently, from the expeditions sells well and for high amounts. Despite its somewhat common drop rate the fact that the loot table is so large means that people seeking certain transmog will be more likely to buy it than farm it. The parroted meme on r/wow that it is unrewarding only makes it better for someone like me. In the past two days from doing Island Expeditions on the side (about 20 total) I got 6 transmog items of TSM values between 15k and 150k. I sold 3 so far totaling 140k (Plundered Squid Caster: 50k because I wanted to be rid of it, Stinkrot Smasher: 69k, Razorfin Breastplate: 28k). Pet drops are a different story and while you can sell them, the fact that they need to be looted for the achievement means that the potential buyer pool is smaller.
I got a lucky 350 BoE drop just after hitting 120 about 48 hours after the expansion launched. Was able to sell it for 400k. I had chosen an alt on a different faction as a main this expansion, so I was glad to have more than the 25k I’d previously had. A couple days later I saw another 350 on the AH for 50k and flipped it for 300. That plus farming Monelite Ore as I do World Quest has me sitting on about 1mil.
Just kidding, but yeah people just need to actually look at market and if they have the slightest interest of making gold, there are tons of options. But people basicly want 100k gold per day, without having to research for that niche and neither do they want to take long. I honestly wouldn't even bother helping someone that doesn't put the slightest effort in.

-PvP- Completely broken for some classes and I mean broken going from both sides of the spectrum, from classes destroying everyone, to classes that can't even kill another player. It's fairly common for a weak class to lose to a powerful class even if the weak class outgears them by 50+ ilvls. That's how broken PvP is and Blizzard doesn't seem to know what to do to fix it other than do blanket damage nerfs/buffs as those are the only changes we've seen.
A "stat squish" and "item squish" was implemented to lower the numbers used in the game, e.g. a legendary item previously with a level of 1000 reduced to 265. Unique class-specific buffs are added back, i.e. mages' Arcane Brilliance and priests' Mark of Fortitude. Titanforging—a random event that raises the initial item level of an item gained via drops or rewards—is still in the game; however, if the item is one of those affected by the Heart of Azeroth, then that item cannot be titanforged.
-Azerite Gear- This has been the worst experience for many players as it was advertised as offering the player many options for customizing their character but all players do is Google "Icy veins (Spec/Class) azerite ranks" and select the best one. This is expected and really only gives players the illusion of choice as they're always going to pick the best one. This could have been done far better by not offering necessarily just damage increases in traits but offering some of the Legion Legendary item effects in Azerite slots. You know, certain Azerite traits would be better for PvP, some for raiding, some for 5 mans, some for soloing old content, etc. The other problem with Azerite gear is that it's locked based on you grinding an endless amount of Azerite for your neck piece (basically the stuff that increases the level of your neck piece). So when you get an item that should be an upgrade, it really isn't because you don't have all the traits unlocked. This complaint about how horrible this system is could go on forever, but I'll just leave it at that, horrible.
That’s because armor of higher level has higher Azerite power requirements than lower level armor. That means a shiny new piece of Epic gear will have better stats but, unless you’ve been diligent about your Azerite power grind, won’t have as many traits unlocked. You lose options as you earn better gear. Eventually, you’ll grind out enough Azerite to earn those traits back, but you’re left with limited customization until then.
All of this is to say that while you make some good points, such as not trying to farm what everyone else is farming, look for other opportunities, it's not always as simple as just going back to old content. I've heard from many others on this subreddit over the years that the examples I show above are neither unique to my server, nor are they new problems. This might be part of why so many people are expressing difficulty in finding their way.

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I have been playing since 2005. I have never really relied on the auction house to make my gold (I don't have the time, what with me having a life and all). In fact, I hardly ever use it. But as the years went by, I've always managed to get my gold total to progressively increase with each expansion. Not so with BFA. In fact, my total has actually gone down since BFA launch. Is this normal? Yes, I have been buying items from the rep guys, but I do that with every expansion. My gold started stagnating a bit before BFA, but since launch ... wow! I guess I can kiss that dinosaur mount goodbye!

Conclusion - Overall, I am looking forward to BfA but I do have my concerns. The mid and high level rare mats look like they are going to come from Mythic Dungeons and Raids. This could make it so that crafting alts basically need to be end game geared up characters and doing that content in order to produce anything usable. Gathering will work and I think it makes sense to prioritize that at the beginning of the xpac. The rest I am taking a wait and see approach this time around. There still is plenty of time between now and launch for the devs to make drastic changes to the material requirements and item level of any crafted item or consumable. Therefore, I don’t think we can call anything a real “winner” or “loser” yet. What do you think?
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I'm aware that the LS chain can be xmuted up all the way up from GIO. This is great since it means ultimately you only need to track/acquire one item. The procs can certainly increase your profit margin, but as I said in my top-level comment the profitability of the whole endeavor is server-dependent. These numbers will of course vary from server to server, and for some it might be worth it.
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