"Essentially the Scrap-o-Matic 1000 works like the Obliterum Forge in Legion however one major difference from Legion is that you can use it to break down any gear obtained that is from the Battle for Azeroth expansion, including dungeon/raid drops, quest rewards, world drops and crafted gear. Apart from a chance at getting Expulsom you will also get ore, gems, leather, occasional enchanting mats (from scrapping cloth gear) and other crafting mats. The best way to obtain Expulsom seems to be from breaking down rare/epic gear you obtain from dungeons and raids, killing rare elites and doing world quests, it also drops rarely from BFA uncommon quality items."
World of Warcraft Gold (US) is a currency used in the US server as a medium of trade. WoW Gold, items are rewarded after killing the enemies. WoW gold is a limited resource and is hard to come by even though gold can be earned by various ways. It is still time intensive for any player to gather the gold needed to get better gears which make advancing easier. Because of the enormous need for WoW Gold, it has attracted many exploiters such as dupers and gold farmers. Arguing that they ruin other people's experience and enjoyment of the game, Blizzard has put up a strong fight to combat these exploiters by banning large number of accounts involved in the activities. However, there are as many players who would not want to invest their time and are willing to pay the extra money to get through the game. Generally, the price of WoW Gold in the EU servers are more expensive than those in the US.
My second most anticipated new feature in the Tides of Vengeance update is the Battle for Darkshore Warfront. It’s the second cyclical battle between the Horde and Alliance, in which each faction takes turns gathering resources, fighting in a pitched raid battle and then controlling the Darkshore zone. In what I hope will be an improvement to the Warfronts feature, the controlling faction will gain access to diverse world quests in the zones they control, rather than the “kill x of y” quests from when it first launched.
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Professions are skills used to create and enhance items (gears). You will start with one skill once your character has learned a profession. When you use the profession, your skill will increase. A profession’s higher skill will allow you to create more powerful items. If you change a primary profession, you will lose any skill you have made with your original profession. So it is important to choose your primary professions wisely.

-Azerite Gear- This has been the worst experience for many players as it was advertised as offering the player many options for customizing their character but all players do is Google "Icy veins (Spec/Class) azerite ranks" and select the best one. This is expected and really only gives players the illusion of choice as they're always going to pick the best one. This could have been done far better by not offering necessarily just damage increases in traits but offering some of the Legion Legendary item effects in Azerite slots. You know, certain Azerite traits would be better for PvP, some for raiding, some for 5 mans, some for soloing old content, etc. The other problem with Azerite gear is that it's locked based on you grinding an endless amount of Azerite for your neck piece (basically the stuff that increases the level of your neck piece). So when you get an item that should be an upgrade, it really isn't because you don't have all the traits unlocked. This complaint about how horrible this system is could go on forever, but I'll just leave it at that, horrible.


Thing is, as in real life, opportunity cost is the real key on this. I'm getting 2 tokens per month quite easily with just 3 toons (1 maxed only (yeah, pretty damn inefficient but I lack a lot of time to play :p)) just by flipping couple of things, food, flask, potions, bags, shirts (yeah, shirts!!), etc etc. Every damn penny/gold counts :p, just have to learn how your realm market works, what niches exist, which items are needed and undersupplied and which are oversupplied.
If you're a new player and buying gold (for some startup money) isn't an option, there's nothing wrong with gathering (especially if you're getting BfA...it'll be good gold initially if you farm BfA mats and sell high). You can make pretty good money just flipping stuff...and because Legion items are super risky now, it's a good time to get spirits of harmony (just buy what you can and sell it in in bigger stacks at higher costs or turn it into ore/bars or lotus to sell when that is profitable). I'd avoid putting all of your gold there though. Sometimes a bot or just someone returning to the game will dump 10+ stacks of 200 spirits cheap and tanks the markets for a bit. Flipping (if you get good at it) will make you more gold in than long run than farming but if you don't have much gold either is a step forward from here. They key to making gold is having the flexibility to lock up most of your gold in items and wait patiently to sell them at a good price but you gotta start small (or cheat like me...when I came back in December I just spent $100 on tokens and haven't spent money on anything other than the Collector's edition since. It's a lot easier to make gold if you already have some.
The world quests aren’t necessarily bad, but they aren’t good either. I wouldn’t mind killing five of a type of monster or fighting one particular boss a few times, but after seven or eight, it starts to wear pretty thin. But going from levels in the mid-20s can take nearly 30,000 AP, so you’ll need more than world quests if you want to get your heart up in a reasonable time. 

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The expansion is set immediately after the events of Legion.[4] Two continents have been added within the Great Sea between the Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor: Kul Tiras, one of the major human kingdoms, and Zandalar, the homeland of Azeroth's trolls.[4] While the Alliance and Horde will initially travel to one continent respectively, both continents will be available to both factions at level 120.[4]
If you're a new player and buying gold (for some startup money) isn't an option, there's nothing wrong with gathering (especially if you're getting BfA...it'll be good gold initially if you farm BfA mats and sell high). You can make pretty good money just flipping stuff...and because Legion items are super risky now, it's a good time to get spirits of harmony (just buy what you can and sell it in in bigger stacks at higher costs or turn it into ore/bars or lotus to sell when that is profitable). I'd avoid putting all of your gold there though. Sometimes a bot or just someone returning to the game will dump 10+ stacks of 200 spirits cheap and tanks the markets for a bit. Flipping (if you get good at it) will make you more gold in than long run than farming but if you don't have much gold either is a step forward from here. They key to making gold is having the flexibility to lock up most of your gold in items and wait patiently to sell them at a good price but you gotta start small (or cheat like me...when I came back in December I just spent $100 on tokens and haven't spent money on anything other than the Collector's edition since. It's a lot easier to make gold if you already have some.
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 Void elf - "Many have sought to harness the corruptive magic of the Void. Most who tried have fallen into madness. Determined to use this power for the good of Azeroth, Alleria Windrunner is the first mortal to succeed at defying the shadow's whispers. Coming to the aid of a group of her kin who nearly gave in to the darkness, Alleria has vowed to train these Void Elves to control the shadows within them and pledge their newfound powers to the Alliance."
If you're a new player and buying gold (for some startup money) isn't an option, there's nothing wrong with gathering (especially if you're getting BfA...it'll be good gold initially if you farm BfA mats and sell high). You can make pretty good money just flipping stuff...and because Legion items are super risky now, it's a good time to get spirits of harmony (just buy what you can and sell it in in bigger stacks at higher costs or turn it into ore/bars or lotus to sell when that is profitable). I'd avoid putting all of your gold there though. Sometimes a bot or just someone returning to the game will dump 10+ stacks of 200 spirits cheap and tanks the markets for a bit. Flipping (if you get good at it) will make you more gold in than long run than farming but if you don't have much gold either is a step forward from here. They key to making gold is having the flexibility to lock up most of your gold in items and wait patiently to sell them at a good price but you gotta start small (or cheat like me...when I came back in December I just spent $100 on tokens and haven't spent money on anything other than the Collector's edition since. It's a lot easier to make gold if you already have some.
well reforging does the same thing, upgrades from profs make economy more alive and profs thenselves more usefull, by this logic we should also remove gems completely and posiibly flasks also...+ i never wrote anything about enchanting every piece of gear, just leg enchants from LW, cloak embroidery from tailoring, extra socket on wrists from BS and also weapon enchants are coming back I suppose (which is nullified by removal of neck enchants), this really isnt a hassle imo
Thing is, as in real life, opportunity cost is the real key on this. I'm getting 2 tokens per month quite easily with just 3 toons (1 maxed only (yeah, pretty damn inefficient but I lack a lot of time to play :p)) just by flipping couple of things, food, flask, potions, bags, shirts (yeah, shirts!!), etc etc. Every damn penny/gold counts :p, just have to learn how your realm market works, what niches exist, which items are needed and undersupplied and which are oversupplied.
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While the proc is random the law of large numbers will mean that over a large enough sample size your actual yield will be the same as the average proc rate. If you transmute 10 times then you can't rely on the 20% proc rate, once you pass 1000 though, you're average will start approaching the true rate of 1.2 bars per transmute. If you are in this for the long haul it then makes a lot of sense to use the average proc rate to calculate your profits, especially considering the fact that all the items involved sell really well.
When were professions really good, in your opinion? I remember having fun with them in Cata, but that was because I was playing the gold-making minigame of grinding the ore -> gem -> j/c boe's -> d/e mats cycle, back when gemming/enchanting your gear seemed absolutely necessary and people not in accordance with Mr. Robot were kicked from groups. Oh yeah, and don't forget the primary stat boost for BoP gear that was profession-specific that made gathering professions anathema to a raiding toon.
I believe they risk losing some long-time players forever with the extent of the game-wide squish. Other facets of it are more appropriate for discussion elsewhere, but those profession points represent prior years for plenty of people. Recent xpacs have made skill level less important, which worked fairly well in terms of balancing the past and present.
Don't have data from beta and didn't read much into this, so i just speculate based on what i've seen, that there are different champion equipment craftable, each with different bonus. So my guess is that people will use these equipments pretty much similarly as they use glyphs (from a market analogy): equip their champions once and be done with it.

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You can giggle as much as you want but none of the golems i posted took more than 3 days to sell. Never, ever. OP made a quite good point on farming ore, as GIO sells higher than BfA ore, and it is much easier to farm. Suggestions that OP made are for everyone and not just for your realm ( where apparently old world enchanting mats cost way more than they should, taking into account how low the margin is). Making gold is not about being lucky to snipe something or to get something to drop, but to have constant income whatever is going around on your realm.
Changes were also made to levelling in earlier content with Legion's 7.3.5 patch. The level-scaling tech introduced in Legion not only be continued in the new continents of Kul Tiras and Zandalar, but was also be applied to content from prior expansions, allowing larger level brackets for lower level zones. Further, as previous expansions are now included in the base game, the level ranges for those expansions are now broadened, allowing players to spend more time leveling in preferred expansions and avoid others entirely. Some examples include a zone like Westfall having its level bracket (at 10–15 as of Legion) increased to 10–60, whilst continents such as Outland and Northrend sharing a 60–80 level bracket. The aim of this change is to encourage more player choice whilst levelling and to allow players to experience the full story of a particular zone without overlevelling the relevant quests.
Your paying top dollar for these plugs, I'm sure you've done your homework. I believe that Audioquest does make good products but they do come at a cost. I built a few cables using these connectors and was a bit disappointed that when using Audioquest X2 cable and stripping the right amount only one of the screws seemed to hold the cable in place. I had this experience on 16 of these banana plug.
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Short term raw material flipping. I think there is a thread up here about it atm actually. If you are buying to hold for more than a week you're opening yourself up to a lot of risk. Buy in the morning and sell at night, and/or buy on the weekend to sell during the week if you have a decent raid population on your server. Start with something you understand, sell from that market and then expand.

Don't have data from beta and didn't read much into this, so i just speculate based on what i've seen, that there are different champion equipment craftable, each with different bonus. So my guess is that people will use these equipments pretty much similarly as they use glyphs (from a market analogy): equip their champions once and be done with it.
It's not about me, it's about people having trouble making gold with BfA professions for example, or having herb prices drop too low to make it worth the effort, I just meant to say there are other ways of making gold. I personnally make most my gold out of BfA for example, so I wanted to point out it's not a necessary thing to stick to the current extension.
Your paying top dollar for these plugs, I'm sure you've done your homework. I believe that Audioquest does make good products but they do come at a cost. I built a few cables using these connectors and was a bit disappointed that when using Audioquest X2 cable and stripping the right amount only one of the screws seemed to hold the cable in place. I had this experience on 16 of these banana plug.
As the battle for Darkshore begins, both the Alliance and Horde are blindsided by a new development: High Overlord Saurfang, who had been defeated and captured in the Battle of Lordearon, has suddenly escaped Alliance captivity and is on the run. Sylvanas sends Horde Champions to track Saurfang down, ostensibly to extract him. However, it quickly becomes apparent that the search party is in fact an assassination squad, as Sylvanas suspects Saurfang of colluding with the Alliance in an attempt to dethrone her. While some Horde champions choose to side with Saurfang and help him escape the assassins, other champions remain loyal to Sylvanas and report Saurfang's and the dissenting champions' treachery to her.
JC Panthers: Instead of breaking them all down like I did with the golem, I'll just note that currently on my server the Orb of Mystery and the Living Steel combined cost 36,000g. All of the panthers, except the Onyx, sell for 32,000g. A loss of 4,000g/unit, not including the gems. Once we factor those in, at a mean value of ~200g/unit, the loss per Panther jumps to 8,000g.
-Bugs- There aren't too many glaring bugs anymore, but you will certainly encounter some. The pathetic thing is that many of the bugs you'll encounter were reported repeatedly during Alpha/Beta and still weren't fixed. Some bugs were discovered after release and players were able to abuse game mechanics without repercussion unless they were one of the more serious offenders. This gave some players a significant advantage over others because they used exploits and at the start of an expansion, that is the time when it's most impactful.
Welp, not clear on what to do or what to invest in, but (to me) the Key point professions will be alchemy, inscription and blacksmithing, Alchemy raiders will need flasks and pots, so steady income. Inscription for cosmetic glyphs and trinkets the first two tiers of expansion. Then there is blacksmithing that can make ilvl 300 weapons (and armor) that are lvl 110, pretty much like WoD weapons, so they may sell very well through all expansion.
Set sail for the previously unmapped isles of Azeroth. Battle in groups of three as you race against cunning rival intruders—or enemy players—to collect the island’s resources. Constantly evolving challenges await as you traverse frozen landscapes near Northrend, open the gates of an abandoned Gilnean castle, navigate a war between elementals and more. Tides of Vengeance adds two new Island Expeditions to the mix and two new random events, as well as updated rewards.
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World of Warcraft Gold (US) is a currency used in the US server as a medium of trade. WoW Gold, items are rewarded after killing the enemies. WoW gold is a limited resource and is hard to come by even though gold can be earned by various ways. It is still time intensive for any player to gather the gold needed to get better gears which make advancing easier. Because of the enormous need for WoW Gold, it has attracted many exploiters such as dupers and gold farmers. Arguing that they ruin other people's experience and enjoyment of the game, Blizzard has put up a strong fight to combat these exploiters by banning large number of accounts involved in the activities. However, there are as many players who would not want to invest their time and are willing to pay the extra money to get through the game. Generally, the price of WoW Gold in the EU servers are more expensive than those in the US.

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The world quests aren’t necessarily bad, but they aren’t good either. I wouldn’t mind killing five of a type of monster or fighting one particular boss a few times, but after seven or eight, it starts to wear pretty thin. But going from levels in the mid-20s can take nearly 30,000 AP, so you’ll need more than world quests if you want to get your heart up in a reasonable time.
We’ll give different advice here, because the gems market is highly volatile. It can make more money than almost any other profession if you watch the market carefully and look for huge spikes in cost. Gems tend to flood the market during beginning to middle of a patch cycle, and spike in value around the end-middle when the content drought makes the market more scarce. It is advised in particular to watch the Tidal Amethyst gemstone, which is very economical to craft and has been known to spike at upwards of 8000%. With gems, it is less about rate per hour and more about how long you can hold before selling. Good luck!
-Bugs- There aren't too many glaring bugs anymore, but you will certainly encounter some. The pathetic thing is that many of the bugs you'll encounter were reported repeatedly during Alpha/Beta and still weren't fixed. Some bugs were discovered after release and players were able to abuse game mechanics without repercussion unless they were one of the more serious offenders. This gave some players a significant advantage over others because they used exploits and at the start of an expansion, that is the time when it's most impactful.
You can giggle as much as you want but none of the golems i posted took more than 3 days to sell. Never, ever. OP made a quite good point on farming ore, as GIO sells higher than BfA ore, and it is much easier to farm. Suggestions that OP made are for everyone and not just for your realm ( where apparently old world enchanting mats cost way more than they should, taking into account how low the margin is). Making gold is not about being lucky to snipe something or to get something to drop, but to have constant income whatever is going around on your realm.
Honestly TL:DR of any guide. Is learn your markets, it's as simple as that. Learn who's in it, learn what's profitable, watch different time tables. I've earned 2 million profit OFF 1 market and half set up TSM. I've barely tried before this I was a hardcore raider, only made gold over the years through BOE farming and run sales (which are goood, don't get me wrong) but I want to be making the multiple gold capped characters.
Cooking might be a fair surprise to some people but the thing is cooking is not a primary profession and usually it’s overlooked. I believe that’s why it’s still a valid method for making gold. The cooking products sell for like 20-30 gold each and people just don’t care about them. If you craft like 2000 cooking products in a day and get minimum 10 gold from each, that means 20k gold every single day.
The raid is made up of eight bosses that each have interesting and unique mechanics. Some bosses might put extra pressure on the DPS players to kill an add before it can heal the boss, while others might require players to move around the environment in a specific pattern or order, all the while still doing as much damage to the boss as possible or keeping the group alive through healing. While past raids often repeated mechanics or had one or two boring fights that didn’t ask much of the players, each encounter in Uldir feels unique and challenging. It’s been a long time since we had a raid where each fight was as much fun to do over and over again as the fights in Uldir.
The Horde will now control most of Kalimdor, and the Alliance most of the Eastern Kingdoms. For a low-level character the quests and storylines won't change, but for high-level players many zones will see changes via phasing. Teldrassil is burned and Undercity is in ruins as the story progresses by phasing. At max level Arathi Highlands and Darkshore are phased to be updated to reflect their status as locations for Warfronts.
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Let's talk about the construction. The plug is made of a gold plated banana plug with two tiny screws for the speaker cable to be plugged into, two small screws to hold the cable sheath in place. Essentially, the screws serve to pin the audio cable to the banana plug and is your transmission path between conductor (cable) and terminal (banana plug). The problem is that only one side of the audio cable is making good contact, the screws are not a good conducting surface hence not a reliable or solid connection for the entire conductor. Ideally all strands would have a solid connection so the signals has the same impedance as it travels through the conductor.
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I think you have legitimate concerns, but to be fair the squish already happened, the numbers just haven't caught up yet. You can already craft current-expansion items starting at crafting level 1, and those crafts generally award 3-5 levels each. So squishing the ranks from 800 down to 100, doesn't functionally change anything, it just allows crafts to only award 1 skill point per use, instead of 5.
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Unfortunately this game misses the mark. The visual and audio experiences are truly this expansions only carry. The questing is the same as itUnfortunately this game misses the mark. The visual and audio experiences are truly this expansions only carry. The questing is the same as it has always been, artifacts and world quests aren't new, more skills taken away from the last expansion (nothing new added to replace them). Island Expeditions, the heralded new feature, is a complete letdown; it's just a scenario with a timer on it. The story is jarring and feels out of place somehow. For a full priced game (that's just an expansion) I can't help but feel a bit ripped off.… Expand
"Essentially the Scrap-o-Matic 1000 works like the Obliterum Forge in Legion however one major difference from Legion is that you can use it to break down any gear obtained that is from the Battle for Azeroth expansion, including dungeon/raid drops, quest rewards, world drops and crafted gear. Apart from a chance at getting Expulsom you will also get ore, gems, leather, occasional enchanting mats (from scrapping cloth gear) and other crafting mats. The best way to obtain Expulsom seems to be from breaking down rare/epic gear you obtain from dungeons and raids, killing rare elites and doing world quests, it also drops rarely from BFA uncommon quality items."
The key to making a lot of money with inscription comes from combining the sale of Contracts with the sale of Glyphs. It’s not uncommon to see some Glyphs swell to 4000% of their normal value during times of increased scarcity. This means less stable income but much more lucrative prospects. Even though this guide assumes you are pairing Herbalism with Inscription to farm your own mats, under certain conditions it may be a better idea to purchase the materials from the auction house.

Remember to NOT disenchant ALL of your quest rewards and drops. There is a new Blood of Sagaras in BfA called "Expulsion" and it is used in all primary tradeskills and it comes from using the Scrap-o-Matic 1000 to break down the piece (explation below). In alchemy you can learn to transmute it (Transmute: Expulsom, which generates 5 Expulsom per day from 10 Akunda's Bite, 10 Winter's Kiss, and 3 Anchor Weed). So some pieces may get more explusion from them that they give dust/shards.
Professions have changed dramatically in Legion. While before you simply had to pay for recipes when you were in town, now the trainers as you to gather certain materials or defeat certain targets in order to unlock additional recipes. How can you profit from this new system? Well, to compensate players with the harder recipe unlocks, the developers have implemented a recipe rank system.
This top-end difficulty was missing entirely from Legion’s first raid, Emerald Nightmare, which was cleared by top guilds in around 11 hours. Meanwhile the first guild to clear Uldir’s hardest difficulty, Mythic, spent somewhere around 70 hours attempting to kill the raid’s eight bosses. Even after all that time, the guild, Method, still had members say they loved the raid, and that it was one of their favorite in recent memory. 
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