So you're strapped for cash in World of Warcraft, and you need gold fast. Maybe there's an epic mount on the Auction House, or you're about to raid and need to finish enchanting your armor, or you're short on gold for glyphs. Whatever the reason, there's plenty of quick and mostly painless ways to farm up gold in WoW. Let's look at a few of the best ways.
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Prepare the Horde for war by recruiting the ancient empire of Zandalar. In this troll-dominated territory, ancient evil waits to be unleashed on the world as you battle crazed blood-troll worshippers, gargantuan dinosaurs, and titan constructs. Discover Zuldazar, the oldest city in Azeroth; unveil the bleak swamps of Nazmir; and traverse the deadly deserts of Vol'dun.


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Meanwhile, in Zandalar, the Horde seeks to earn the trust of King Rastakhan so they can use his legendary Golden Fleet against the Alliance. To this end, they assist Rastakhan and his court in dealing with local threats in Zuldazar, fight maniacal Blood Trolls in Nazmir, and face off with serpentine Old God cultists in Vol'dun. Throughout their journey, the Horde gradually learns about an eldricth being known as G'huun, an artificial Old God accidentally created by the Titans and the patron deity of the Blood Trolls. The Blood Trolls and the Faithless Sethekk seek to free G'huun from his prison of Uldir so they can use him to rule Azeroth, and to this end they resurrect G'huun's champion, the C'thrax Mythrax, to destroy Uldir's seal. Rastakhan's own chief adviser, the prophet Zul, is revealed to be the Blood Trolls' secret leader and launches an armed revolt against Rastakhan. With the Horde champions' help, Rastakhan is able to defeat Zul and his forces, but not before Mythrax destroys Uldir's seal.
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Allied races: Our new allies will join the factions and players will be able to unlock the ability to play their race. There are 6 planned for launch. Horde: Nightborne, Highmountain tauren, Zandalari troll. Alliance: Void elf, Lightforged draenei, Dark Iron dwarf. Additional races are planned for the future. Receive a Heritage Armor set, if you level an allied race character to level 110.[5][6]
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Patience and extra gold are rather important for the mounts so it might not be best for you right now. As for the operation (Wrath and Pandaria mounts right now), you need a miner (ore is cheaper than bars), transmutation master alchemists (living steel and some time eternals for daily cooldown, titanium and riddle of steel), and potentially multiple engineers (for more Sky Golems, plus at least one gnomish and one goblin if you want to do both rockets). The best way to source Pandaria mats cheaply is to buy up Spirit of Harmony when it's cheap and check often for mats cheaper than the conversion rate (1 Spirit buys 20 ghost iron ore, 5 trillium ore, 20 Kyparite, and more). Same with Eternals (for crafting titansteel)...you have to regularly check and grab them up whenever they're cheap (frozen orbs can be exchanged for eternals in old Dalaran too so watch for some cheap orbs as well). I also sell Golden Lotus on the side since it goes for more than the Spirit cost. (Edit: Also should point out that at the end of the expansion everyone is bored with nothing better to do so the profits on the mounts have dipped to as low as 5k.)
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As a hero of the mighty Alliance, journey to the seafaring kingdom of Kul Tiras, home of Jaina Proudmoore. Untangle a web of betrayal and dark magic as you encounter power-hungry pirates, witches wielding death magic, mystical sea priests, and more. Explore the stony peaks of Tiragarde Sound, trek across Drustvar's high plains and red forests, and navigate the intricate inland canals of Stormsong Valley as you convince this fractured kingdom to join your cause.
For future reference, it is a great option to purchase mounts and pets as a long-term investment. Not only do their prices scale well even when a new expansion drops, but there is always a demand for them. The only drawback to this strategy is you would need a hefty amount of initial wow gold investment and also maybe have to go through the motions of spending for a guild bank.
Mythic+ has some similarity to raiding, but it’s designed for just five players, instead of the 10-to-30 that can make up a raid. This mode tasks players with clearing the game’s dungeons, but with specific changes that make them harder, scaling up until it’s impossible for groups to finish. Players receive a keystone in their inventory that assigns them their dungeon, one of the game’s 10, and gives the dungeon a level. This determines how difficult enemies are and what effects might make them harder. If the group completes the keystone in time, they get a new, higher-level stone; if they, don’t they get a lower-level stone.
At least they didn't require dungeons and raids to get through the basic skilling-up this time; I remember a lot of people were unhappy about that in Legion; I boosted some through for quests who weren't comfortable in a queue. It was always a traditional occupation for people who don't/can't group. Again, I appreciate the small mercy. They may need to strangle professions, but it was unnecessary to be just mean to people.
"Essentially the Scrap-o-Matic 1000 (and Shred-Master Mk1) works like the Obliterum Forge in Legion however one major difference from Legion is that you can use it to break down any gear obtained that is from the Battle for Azeroth expansion, including dungeon/raid drops, quest rewards, world drops and crafted gear. Apart from a chance at getting Expulsion you will also get ore, gems, leather, occasional enchanting mats (from scrapping cloth gear) and other crafting mats. The best way to obtain Expulsion seems to be from breaking down rare/epic gear you obtain from dungeons and raids, killing rare elites and doing world quests, it also drops rarely from BFA uncommon quality items."
All of this is to say that while you make some good points, such as not trying to farm what everyone else is farming, look for other opportunities, it's not always as simple as just going back to old content. I've heard from many others on this subreddit over the years that the examples I show above are neither unique to my server, nor are they new problems. This might be part of why so many people are expressing difficulty in finding their way.
I would also like to point out, just because it gave me a giggle, that in one sentence you highlight that everyone is trying to make gold in BfA and then in another direct people back to the Engineering/JC mounts as a proposed solution. While I appreciate the suggestion, you seem smart enough to realize that those, too, are saturated markets. They have been for years now, so that's just moving from one camped market to another.
But every new character made that wants to craft old expansion stuff will have to level using expansion specific materials. Stocking up on profession materials that are already high in demand can be a great idea. This will primarily be materials used to craft the various mounts. Ghost Iron, Trillium, Living Steel, Pyrium etc. are all great candidates to stock up on.
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Valid pieces for Azerite empowerment are available for the chest, shoulder, and head slots of all classes. This equipment has multiple tiers of that can be unlocked, represented by a series of concentric wheels with icons representing individual powers; as individual powers are selected, they rotate into slots at the top of the interface, activating the selected benefit and locking out the others unless the player pays to reset their decision. Outer rings offer multiple choices, some based around the character's class and specification, others around the zone or circumstances in which the gear was acquired. The innermost circle offers no such options, instead being a boost to the level of the item itself, and thus providing a flat all-around benefit.


 Lightforged draenei - "For untold millennia, the Army of the Light waged war against the Burning Legion throughout the Twisting Nether. The draenei most committed to their long crusade would undergo a ritual to become Lightforged, infusing their bodies with the very essence of the Holy Light. After finally achieving victory on Argus, the Lightforged Draenei have undertaken a new mission: protecting Azeroth from rising threats and helping the Alliance push back against Horde aggression."
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I liked the little discount for the weekend special. I was used to buying other expansions that included a 30 game time card, this did not. However I was prompted to spend gold I had build up and saved, previously playing the game, and it cost me 117000 gold deducted from my combined characters on my old main server. Big download, so I had to wait to play it until the next morning. Gameplay is different, I was used to the old talent point system, alas I had 10 lvl 100 characters, max level garrisons and shipyard. I did the only thing thinkable without having to take time to vendor unusable items that I thought had meaning. Created the new class. Tutorial started at 98, to get you to 100 with a slow intro back into the game. Auction house prices are pretty high with how long this game has been around. I hope to play more soon, but not like the hardcore grind years past. All I know is I am spending remaining gold saved on biggest affordable bags, and whatever flight trainings to keep me moving fast. Game looks good, no lag, I already enjoy the storyline again.
Again, these are >JUST EXAMPLES< but really the main idea is stop trying to make gold on something everyone else does... There are a million ways to make gold on this game. This idea of sharing a farming spot or telling people to farm a specific thing is pointless. If everybody follows the herbalism guide and gathers Winter's Kiss, what happens to the price of the herb? It plummets. If everybody farms something because it's worth 300k, it loses its value cause the demand won't match the offer most of the time. If everybody crafts the same item, you'll end up going into an undercutting war and waste time you could spend getting some good money on unexploited markets.
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All I know is that Scribes are going to make bank with those Contracts. All guides talks about them and everyone will want them. Better ride that money wave while we can. Other than that, Alchemy and Jewelcrafting are always safe bets with tradable and marketable goods. Engineers can get an item for followers to bring back more Azerite, ot sure how much of a headstart that's gonna give them. The rest of the professions honestly looks kinda lame since most of everything is BoP anyway.
Cooking might be a fair surprise to some people but the thing is cooking is not a primary profession and usually it’s overlooked. I believe that’s why it’s still a valid method for making gold. The cooking products sell for like 20-30 gold each and people just don’t care about them. If you craft like 2000 cooking products in a day and get minimum 10 gold from each, that means 20k gold every single day.
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 Zandalari troll (8.1.5) - "The Zandalari are a proud people whose origins date back to the early days of Azeroth's history. Their fierce warriors ride dinosaurs into battle, and they possess one of the most formidable naval fleets in the known world. But enemy attacks on their borders—as well as unrest within the king's council—have threatened the kingdom's foundations. By returning stability to Zandalar, the heroes of the Horde can gain a powerful new ally.."
If you're a new player and buying gold (for some startup money) isn't an option, there's nothing wrong with gathering (especially if you're getting BfA...it'll be good gold initially if you farm BfA mats and sell high). You can make pretty good money just flipping stuff...and because Legion items are super risky now, it's a good time to get spirits of harmony (just buy what you can and sell it in in bigger stacks at higher costs or turn it into ore/bars or lotus to sell when that is profitable). I'd avoid putting all of your gold there though. Sometimes a bot or just someone returning to the game will dump 10+ stacks of 200 spirits cheap and tanks the markets for a bit. Flipping (if you get good at it) will make you more gold in than long run than farming but if you don't have much gold either is a step forward from here. They key to making gold is having the flexibility to lock up most of your gold in items and wait patiently to sell them at a good price but you gotta start small (or cheat like me...when I came back in December I just spent $100 on tokens and haven't spent money on anything other than the Collector's edition since. It's a lot easier to make gold if you already have some.

Despite all of these problems and this laundry list of glaring systematic issues, the crowning achievement of Battle for Azeroth’s endgame is that it still remains enjoyable all due to those two pillars of raiding and dungeons. That won’t last forever. As the expansion goes on, and the grind necessary to progress becomes even more demanding and the time spent in content that simply isn’t fun increases, it will be harder and harder for raiding and Mythic+ to carry the expansion along.

As with Jewelcrafting, Alchemy is a bit more nuanced than looking at hourly rates. Flasks will provide you with a good baseline, but if you carefully watch the market and plan your transmutes with market trends, you could see huge gains like JC. Assuming you are focusing only on selling Flasks, you will make around 2138 gold/hour if you are also an Herbalist.
Yes, that is easy, but it's not quick. Further down in my comments to OP I detailed the GIO farm, and reasonable yield expectations. I looked up a few guides/videos before commenting and most of them estimate a yield beween 800-1,000 GIO/hour. That lines up with my past experience with it as well. That'd be, taking the high yield end, 4.2 hours to farm the GIO for one toon's monthly needs.
All I know is that Scribes are going to make bank with those Contracts. All guides talks about them and everyone will want them. Better ride that money wave while we can. Other than that, Alchemy and Jewelcrafting are always safe bets. Engineers can get an item for followers to bring back more Azerite, ot sure how much of a headstart that's gonna give them. The rest of the professions honestly looks kinda lame since most of everything is BoP anyway.
At the end of Legion, the titan Sargeras was imprisoned, but not before he plunged his sword into the planet Azeroth. This not only devastated a massive area (much of the desert zone of Silithus is now cracked and scorched), but badly wounded the gestating titan inside. While the heroes managed to ablate the worst of the damage (at the cost of the majority of their artifact weapons' mythic power), the world is still wounded and bleeding a substance called "Azerite," which has great magical potential. The Horde Warchief, Sylvanas Windrunner, attempts to consolidate Horde power on Kalimdor and gain a monopoly on Azerite (which is primarily found at the southern end of the continent). Her campaign to do so, the War of Thorns, formed a pre-launch event for the expansion and ends with the major Night Elf holdings on the continent seized or (in the case of their capital city of Darnassus) annihilated. The Alliance makes a retaliatory strike against her home base, the Undercity, which was formerly the human capital of Lordaeron. This succeeds in driving the Horde out, but before leaving Sylvanas saturates the area with disease and toxins that render it uninhabitable. With this tit-for-tat military exchange, the Horde has almost complete control over Kalimdor, while the Alliance has near-total dominion over the Eastern Kingdoms.[4] With further conflict inevitable, Battle for Azeroth takes the two factions to the continents of Kul Tiras and Zandalar to recruit new allies in order to turn the tides of war.[4]

Conclusion - Overall, I am looking forward to BfA but I do have my concerns. The mid and high level rare mats look like they are going to come from Mythic Dungeons and Raids. This could make it so that crafting alts basically need to be end game geared up characters and doing that content in order to produce anything usable. Gathering will work and I think it makes sense to prioritize that at the beginning of the xpac. The rest I am taking a wait and see approach this time around. There still is plenty of time between now and launch for the devs to make drastic changes to the material requirements and item level of any crafted item or consumable. Therefore, I don’t think we can call anything a real “winner” or “loser” yet. What do you think?
​How much effort are you willing to put in? The days of clicking the mission table and collecting a big pile of gold a few hours later are behind us. Our gold-making options for this expansion are pretty much just farming (materials or rare drops), flipping, and professions. All of those things are a time investment. If you're not willing to do any of those things, you're probably not going to increase your income.
If you're just trying to sell one item once, TSM probably isn't the way to go. But you can set it up to do things like "find all BFA mining auctions selling for 75% of the market value", buy those, and then use a single button to "post all BFA mining auctions at 90% of the market value". This won't usually net you tens of thousands of gold, but it's a pretty reliable income stream for pretty low effort.
Hazzikostas posted the changes in a new blog post on the official WoW forums. Season 2 will go live on January 22 with new Warfronts, Mythic + PvP, World Content, a new Titanforging cap and much more. We’ve included his post down below and have also included a follow up post about rewarding loot for Emissaries and Assault quests based on loot specialization.
That’s because armor of higher level has higher Azerite power requirements than lower level armor. That means a shiny new piece of Epic gear will have better stats but, unless you’ve been diligent about your Azerite power grind, won’t have as many traits unlocked. You lose options as you earn better gear. Eventually, you’ll grind out enough Azerite to earn those traits back, but you’re left with limited customization until then.
Short term raw material flipping. I think there is a thread up here about it atm actually. If you are buying to hold for more than a week you're opening yourself up to a lot of risk. Buy in the morning and sell at night, and/or buy on the weekend to sell during the week if you have a decent raid population on your server. Start with something you understand, sell from that market and then expand.

The point is the sale price never be the same, and never will, as entropy increases further, the sale price will always drop, since its something that people get and they forget, there inst any reason to buy more than one. So your margins will always be lower than yesterday, if you want to keep your income (more effort same reward), furthermore add scrapbot to the formula and your margins will be lower.
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 Kul Tiran human (8.1.5) - "Kul Tiras was founded by fearless explorers who sailed uncharted waters in search of adventure. As a key member of the Alliance of Lordaeron, the Kul Tiran navy dominated the seas of Azeroth with its legendary fleet. But after years of turmoil and hardship, the kingdom grew isolated and vulnerable to dark influences. Thanks to the help of brave heroes, House Proudmoore has been restored and Kul Tiras is poised to fight alongside the valiant Alliance once more."
REALM FORUMS Defias Brotherhood / Ravenholdt et al. Shattered Halls / Sunstrider et al. Twilight's Hammer / Agamaggan et al. Aerie Peak / Bronzebeard Aggra / Grim Batol Aggramar / Hellscream Al'Akir / Skullcrusher / Xavius Alonsus / Anachronos / Kul Tiras Arathor / Hellfire Argent Dawn Aszune / Shadowsong Auchindoun / Dunemaul / Jaedenar Azjol-Nerub / Quel'Thalas Azuremyst / Stormrage Blade's Edge / Eonar / Vek'nilash Bladefist / Frostwhisper / Zenedar Bloodfeather / Burning Steppes / Executus / Kor’gall / Shattered Hand Bloodhoof / Khadgar Bronze Dragonflight / Nordrassil Burning Blade / Drak’thul Burning Legion Chamber of Aspects Darkmoon Faire / Earthen Ring Darksorrow / Genjuros / Neptulon Darkspear / Saurfang / Terokkar Doomhammer / Turalyon Draenor Dragonblight / Ghostlands Dragonmaw / Haomarush / Spinebreaker / Stormreaver / Vashj Emerald Dream / Terenas Frostmane Kazzak Kilrogg / Nagrand / Runetotem Lightbringer / Mazrigos Magtheridon Moonglade / Steamwheedle Cartel / The Sha'tar Outland Ragnaros Ravencrest Silvermoon Stormscale Sylvanas Tarren Mill / Dentarg The Maelstrom / Deathwing / Karazhan / Lightning's Blade Thunderhorn / Wildhammer Twisting Nether
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"Players can get these powerful items, empower them, and which gameplay-affecting powers they want to use or focus on without feeling like they’re just playing the lottery and hoping they get the Pyroblast Bracers or whatever the magical legendary they need to enable the rotation they want to do," Hazzikostas said. "Instead, they can just look at the dungeon journal, look at raid bosses, see where the azurite armor with the powers they want comes from, and focus on getting that and leveling their artifact naturally, in a much more controlled way."
WowHead reported that the 8.1.5 patch in the Public Test Realm added "Stanley", a thin man with gray-white hair and sunglasses who greets people by shouting “Excelsior!” So far, he was only found in Stormwind, reflecting the colors and armor of the Alliance. But a little more in-depth understanding of this update also has two Stanley character models: one is a neutral colors without armor, and the other is wearing Horde gear.

A: Buying gold from third-party services negatively impacts the game experience for everyone. The overwhelming majority of the gold these services provide comes from stolen player accounts, halting the victims’ ability to play the game and contribute to their guilds. On top of this, gold selling companies often farm resources using hack programs, sell fake product codes as a scam, and spam entire realms with ads to buy gold, disrupting the game in very real ways.


Eventually, the Alliance finishes its preparations and launches an attack on the Zadalari capital of Dazar'zalor, their goal being to sever the budding alliance between the Zandalari and the Horde by dismantling the Golden Fleet and capturing King Rastakhan. Despite Anduin and Jaina's desire to capture him alive, Rastakhan is overwhelmed by the power of his pact with the Loa Bwonsamdi, and the Alliance champions are forced to slay him. Enraged by Rastakhan's death, Horde champions launch a vicious counterattack on the withdrawing Alliance forces, which ends with both Jaina and High Tinkerer Mettatorque gravely wounded. As the Alliance leadership debates their next move, Sylvanas, infuriated by the Horde's defeat, resurrects Jaina's long dead brother Derek Proudmoore as a Forsaken, an act that horrifies the surviving Horde leaders, with the intent to use him as a sleeper agent to destroy the Proudmoore family from within.
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REALM FORUMS Defias Brotherhood / Ravenholdt et al. Shattered Halls / Sunstrider et al. Twilight's Hammer / Agamaggan et al. Aerie Peak / Bronzebeard Aggra / Grim Batol Aggramar / Hellscream Al'Akir / Skullcrusher / Xavius Alonsus / Anachronos / Kul Tiras Arathor / Hellfire Argent Dawn Aszune / Shadowsong Auchindoun / Dunemaul / Jaedenar Azjol-Nerub / Quel'Thalas Azuremyst / Stormrage Blade's Edge / Eonar / Vek'nilash Bladefist / Frostwhisper / Zenedar Bloodfeather / Burning Steppes / Executus / Kor’gall / Shattered Hand Bloodhoof / Khadgar Bronze Dragonflight / Nordrassil Burning Blade / Drak’thul Burning Legion Chamber of Aspects Darkmoon Faire / Earthen Ring Darksorrow / Genjuros / Neptulon Darkspear / Saurfang / Terokkar Doomhammer / Turalyon Draenor Dragonblight / Ghostlands Dragonmaw / Haomarush / Spinebreaker / Stormreaver / Vashj Emerald Dream / Terenas Frostmane Kazzak Kilrogg / Nagrand / Runetotem Lightbringer / Mazrigos Magtheridon Moonglade / Steamwheedle Cartel / The Sha'tar Outland Ragnaros Ravencrest Silvermoon Stormscale Sylvanas Tarren Mill / Dentarg The Maelstrom / Deathwing / Karazhan / Lightning's Blade Thunderhorn / Wildhammer Twisting Nether
Making gold = work, people just want to be lazy and cash in but today a lot of people use TSM, have access to this reddit, youtube guides, etc. More and more people play wow to make gold so ofc the AH work gets harder, you just need to find your niche, i'm making gold with Tailoring from MoP and Cata for transmogs, not a lot of work to farm maths and i sell each piece around 10k, 7 pieces per week and i'm fine for a month.

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I'm aware that the LS chain can be xmuted up all the way up from GIO. This is great since it means ultimately you only need to track/acquire one item. The procs can certainly increase your profit margin, but as I said in my top-level comment the profitability of the whole endeavor is server-dependent. These numbers will of course vary from server to server, and for some it might be worth it.
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